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	<description>I&#039;m not the Messiah, I&#039;m a very naughty boy</description>
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		<title>By: William Gruff</title>
		<link>http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/04/03/is-this-science/comment-page-1/#comment-19385</link>
		<dc:creator>William Gruff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 17:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve got me there, Allie, you&#039;ve got me there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve got me there, Allie, you&#8217;ve got me there.</p>
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		<title>By: Andi</title>
		<link>http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/04/03/is-this-science/comment-page-1/#comment-19384</link>
		<dc:creator>Andi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 17:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Wonko&#039;s logic holds up, and I use the last few hours I was in the pub as a reference, by the end of the month I will have drunk 450 pints of cider... Actually, now that I&#039;ve typed it out, that seems to be below my usual average...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Wonko&#8217;s logic holds up, and I use the last few hours I was in the pub as a reference, by the end of the month I will have drunk 450 pints of cider&#8230; Actually, now that I&#8217;ve typed it out, that seems to be below my usual average&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Allie</title>
		<link>http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/04/03/is-this-science/comment-page-1/#comment-19373</link>
		<dc:creator>Allie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 22:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Gruff, I&#039;m not at all enraged; it&#039;s more quiet, detached amusement. A couple of rungs below pointing-and-laughing, if that helps. And no, I didn&#039;t imply that any data was ignored.

Why does this issue get you so cross? And - forgive me for repeating the question, but you don&#039;t seem to have addressed it - who, in your opinion, is best placed to explain and interpret science?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Gruff, I&#8217;m not at all enraged; it&#8217;s more quiet, detached amusement. A couple of rungs below pointing-and-laughing, if that helps. And no, I didn&#8217;t imply that any data was ignored.</p>
<p>Why does this issue get you so cross? And &#8211; forgive me for repeating the question, but you don&#8217;t seem to have addressed it &#8211; who, in your opinion, is best placed to explain and interpret science?</p>
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		<title>By: Allie</title>
		<link>http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/04/03/is-this-science/comment-page-1/#comment-19372</link>
		<dc:creator>Allie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 22:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed I did, and they certainly seem to. I was just intrigued at how narked some people get when scientific evidence doesn&#039;t support them, and wondered why that should be.

Who said anything about fair trade or lowering food miles?! Was that an attempt to answer my last paragraph?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed I did, and they certainly seem to. I was just intrigued at how narked some people get when scientific evidence doesn&#8217;t support them, and wondered why that should be.</p>
<p>Who said anything about fair trade or lowering food miles?! Was that an attempt to answer my last paragraph?</p>
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		<title>By: William Gruff</title>
		<link>http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/04/03/is-this-science/comment-page-1/#comment-19371</link>
		<dc:creator>William Gruff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 22:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Allie, Climate Change has certainly brought you out in a rage, which, scientifically, might indicate a certain innate intolerance to &#039;variation&#039;.  That notwithstanding, if you reread what you have written you may see that &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; implied that data were ignored, unless English is not your first language.  Whether or not, it seems that reason is not your first recourse.  Twenty years is a very long time, to a child, but in the great scheme of things it&#039;s insufficient to justify limitless research funding from a piggy bank that is far from infinite and fed by an ever dwindling band of increasingly overburdened wealth creators.  You&#039;ll have to work for a living when you leave school - don&#039;t choose science as a career.

The best thing you can do with your daily copy of &lt;i&gt;The Guardian&lt;/i&gt; is to make firelighters of it, before reading it:  We&#039;re heading for another ice age, haven&#039;t you heard?  But then, how could you?  That was the doom-laden prediction of twenty years ago (ten years after we were all to be dissolved by acid rain), before the present solar cycle and, it seems, your birth.

Grow up yourself, sonny!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Allie, Climate Change has certainly brought you out in a rage, which, scientifically, might indicate a certain innate intolerance to &#8216;variation&#8217;.  That notwithstanding, if you reread what you have written you may see that <i>you</i> implied that data were ignored, unless English is not your first language.  Whether or not, it seems that reason is not your first recourse.  Twenty years is a very long time, to a child, but in the great scheme of things it&#8217;s insufficient to justify limitless research funding from a piggy bank that is far from infinite and fed by an ever dwindling band of increasingly overburdened wealth creators.  You&#8217;ll have to work for a living when you leave school &#8211; don&#8217;t choose science as a career.</p>
<p>The best thing you can do with your daily copy of <i>The Guardian</i> is to make firelighters of it, before reading it:  We&#8217;re heading for another ice age, haven&#8217;t you heard?  But then, how could you?  That was the doom-laden prediction of twenty years ago (ten years after we were all to be dissolved by acid rain), before the present solar cycle and, it seems, your birth.</p>
<p>Grow up yourself, sonny!</p>
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		<title>By: wonkotsane</title>
		<link>http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/04/03/is-this-science/comment-page-1/#comment-19369</link>
		<dc:creator>wonkotsane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allie, did you look at the graphs I linked to?  They indicate the opposite to what Terry Sloan - a particle physicist and not a climatologist - is saying.

Is two cycles of the sun enough when global climate change happens over hundreds of thousands of years?  Or is it convenient to stop there because if you go back further you get the data that convinced scientists we were heading for an ice age?

The issue of fair trade, lowering food miles, cutting our use of finite resources is completely separate to the global warming scam but the two are conflated by the propagandists because it blurs the lines and gives them a get-out clause when they&#039;re exposed as liars and frauds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allie, did you look at the graphs I linked to?  They indicate the opposite to what Terry Sloan &#8211; a particle physicist and not a climatologist &#8211; is saying.</p>
<p>Is two cycles of the sun enough when global climate change happens over hundreds of thousands of years?  Or is it convenient to stop there because if you go back further you get the data that convinced scientists we were heading for an ice age?</p>
<p>The issue of fair trade, lowering food miles, cutting our use of finite resources is completely separate to the global warming scam but the two are conflated by the propagandists because it blurs the lines and gives them a get-out clause when they&#8217;re exposed as liars and frauds.</p>
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		<title>By: Allie</title>
		<link>http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/04/03/is-this-science/comment-page-1/#comment-19367</link>
		<dc:creator>Allie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, both of you: read the story. They looked at twenty years of data because the Sun&#039;s cosmic-ray activity is cyclical, and the lengths of the cycles is eleven years, hence twenty years of data gives them a complete cycle and some either side. They were testing Svensmark&#039;s hypothesis; that&#039;s how science works.

Grow up, Gruff. The data disproved Svensmark&#039;s hypothesis. Did anyone imply that they ignored other data? No. And your last sentence is beneath contempt. Scientists are the people best placed to explain and interpret science. Who else do you think should have the job?

I&#039;m fascinated as to why any mention of climate-change brings some people out in a rage. It&#039;s as if some people think that trying to treat the planet, and our fellow human beings on the planet, with care and respect is somehow a bad idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, both of you: read the story. They looked at twenty years of data because the Sun&#8217;s cosmic-ray activity is cyclical, and the lengths of the cycles is eleven years, hence twenty years of data gives them a complete cycle and some either side. They were testing Svensmark&#8217;s hypothesis; that&#8217;s how science works.</p>
<p>Grow up, Gruff. The data disproved Svensmark&#8217;s hypothesis. Did anyone imply that they ignored other data? No. And your last sentence is beneath contempt. Scientists are the people best placed to explain and interpret science. Who else do you think should have the job?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m fascinated as to why any mention of climate-change brings some people out in a rage. It&#8217;s as if some people think that trying to treat the planet, and our fellow human beings on the planet, with care and respect is somehow a bad idea.</p>
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		<title>By: William Gruff</title>
		<link>http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/04/03/is-this-science/comment-page-1/#comment-19357</link>
		<dc:creator>William Gruff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 01:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Wonko, you cynic you!

Fuckin&#039; biff &#039;im Allie!

Yeah!

Were Henrik Svensmark&#039;s data limited to the previous twenty years?  You do not say; you merely state that his detractors used the data that proved the contrary, thus implying that they ignored that which supported his arguments.

You write as though &#039;science&#039; were entirely objective and incontrovertible, which it isn&#039;t (which is why so much research ends up in the bin), nor is it &#039;logical&#039; (the definition of a metre is no more &#039;logical&#039; than the length of a king&#039;s arm, nor is counting in tens instead of twelves, or sixteens).  Few scientists are inspired thinkers; most are simply educated mechanics using more highly developed fag papers to set the timing of more evolved machines with slightly better screwdrivers.  As good as they are, mechanics are from infallible.

Science should not be left to scientists to misrepresent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Wonko, you cynic you!</p>
<p>Fuckin&#8217; biff &#8216;im Allie!</p>
<p>Yeah!</p>
<p>Were Henrik Svensmark&#8217;s data limited to the previous twenty years?  You do not say; you merely state that his detractors used the data that proved the contrary, thus implying that they ignored that which supported his arguments.</p>
<p>You write as though &#8216;science&#8217; were entirely objective and incontrovertible, which it isn&#8217;t (which is why so much research ends up in the bin), nor is it &#8216;logical&#8217; (the definition of a metre is no more &#8216;logical&#8217; than the length of a king&#8217;s arm, nor is counting in tens instead of twelves, or sixteens).  Few scientists are inspired thinkers; most are simply educated mechanics using more highly developed fag papers to set the timing of more evolved machines with slightly better screwdrivers.  As good as they are, mechanics are from infallible.</p>
<p>Science should not be left to scientists to misrepresent.</p>
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		<title>By: wonkotsane</title>
		<link>http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/04/03/is-this-science/comment-page-1/#comment-19356</link>
		<dc:creator>wonkotsane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twenty years is not enough, it&#039;s an insignificant amount of data in the context of global climate change that happens over 100s of thousands of years.

&lt;blockquote&gt;You remember, the guy whose claims formed a big part of the documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And you will, of course, recall that Al Gore&#039;s film footage of polar bears apparently drowning was fabricated and only the other day the lead author of the IPCC report on climate change released the &quot;news&quot; that the Wilkins Ice Shelf was about to collapse when it collapsed 10 years ago.

Amusingly, the BBC has just reported that cooling sea temperatures in the Pacific are going to bring the temperature of the earth down.  But they were at pains to point out that it didn&#039;t mean global warming wasn&#039;t happening, just that the globe was cooling this year.  But only temporarily, it doesn&#039;t change the pattern of climate change.  Which is that it goes up and ... er, down.  Oh how I laughed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twenty years is not enough, it&#8217;s an insignificant amount of data in the context of global climate change that happens over 100s of thousands of years.</p>
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<p>And you will, of course, recall that Al Gore&#8217;s film footage of polar bears apparently drowning was fabricated and only the other day the lead author of the IPCC report on climate change released the &#8220;news&#8221; that the Wilkins Ice Shelf was about to collapse when it collapsed 10 years ago.</p>
<p>Amusingly, the BBC has just reported that cooling sea temperatures in the Pacific are going to bring the temperature of the earth down.  But they were at pains to point out that it didn&#8217;t mean global warming wasn&#8217;t happening, just that the globe was cooling this year.  But only temporarily, it doesn&#8217;t change the pattern of climate change.  Which is that it goes up and &#8230; er, down.  Oh how I laughed.</p>
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		<title>By: Allie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it&#039;s science. Have you actually read the story? The reason they looked at the last twenty years&#039; data was to see if there was any substance to the claims of the climate-change sceptic Henrik Svensmark. You remember, the guy whose claims formed a big part of the documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle. They&#039;re not limiting the data &#039;in a bizarre parody of scientific logic&#039;; they were using the data that would substantiate - or not - the claims they were investigating. And guess what? It turns out the evidence doesn&#039;t back up Svensmark&#039;s claims.

Now you can whine all you like about it (and I&#039;m struck by how little of your post relates to the story, which of course makes perfect sense if you haven&#039;t actually read it) but yes, it&#039;s science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it&#8217;s science. Have you actually read the story? The reason they looked at the last twenty years&#8217; data was to see if there was any substance to the claims of the climate-change sceptic Henrik Svensmark. You remember, the guy whose claims formed a big part of the documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle. They&#8217;re not limiting the data &#8216;in a bizarre parody of scientific logic&#8217;; they were using the data that would substantiate &#8211; or not &#8211; the claims they were investigating. And guess what? It turns out the evidence doesn&#8217;t back up Svensmark&#8217;s claims.</p>
<p>Now you can whine all you like about it (and I&#8217;m struck by how little of your post relates to the story, which of course makes perfect sense if you haven&#8217;t actually read it) but yes, it&#8217;s science.</p>
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