Comments on: Disunity is the least of Liebour’s problems http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/09/18/disunity-is-the-least-of-liebours-problems/ I'm not the Messiah, I'm a very naughty boy Thu, 09 Feb 2012 02:49:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: axel http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/09/18/disunity-is-the-least-of-liebours-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-20701 axel Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:40:58 +0000 http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/09/18/disunity-is-the-least-of-liebours-problems/#comment-20701 I'm not so sure about that, Karl gustav of sweden reduced the numbers in the 17th century, Freidrich the Great did his bit in 18th, Napoleon did his wee bit too, so by the time Bismark got Big Bill to Versaille in 1871, there were only the larger entities left but I did'nt know that Reich Law over rode royal law? I’m not so sure about that, Karl gustav of sweden reduced the numbers in the 17th century, Freidrich the Great did his bit in 18th, Napoleon did his wee bit too, so by the time Bismark got Big Bill to Versaille in 1871, there were only the larger entities left but I did’nt know that Reich Law over rode royal law?

]]> By: jerry http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/09/18/disunity-is-the-least-of-liebours-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-20700 jerry Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:12:50 +0000 http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/09/18/disunity-is-the-least-of-liebours-problems/#comment-20700 Ofcourse the old system(lots of diffrent kingdoms and so on) played a role in the decision to create different states but this particular system was introduced by the allies so in the future it wouldn't be so easy to take over the whole country.Back in the 19.century there were I think over 200 diffrent kingdoms in germany(geographical)until 1871 when the german empire was founded,all the kingdoms were united as one empire but the emperor had total control over all the kingdoms(by then regions).So I dont think you can say that the whole system originated from that time period. Ofcourse the old system(lots of diffrent kingdoms and so on) played a role in the decision to create different states but this particular system was introduced by the allies so in the future it wouldn’t be so easy to take over the whole country.Back in the 19.century there were I think over 200 diffrent kingdoms in germany(geographical)until 1871 when the german empire was founded,all the kingdoms were united as one empire but the emperor had total control over all the kingdoms(by then regions).So I dont think you can say that the whole system originated from that time period.

]]> By: axel http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/09/18/disunity-is-the-least-of-liebours-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-20698 axel Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:02:02 +0000 http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/09/18/disunity-is-the-least-of-liebours-problems/#comment-20698 Jerry I thought that system was a hangover from pre 1870 times when Germany was a geographical term instead of a country? Jerry

I thought that system was a hangover from pre 1870 times when Germany was a geographical term instead of a country?

]]> By: wonkotsane http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/09/18/disunity-is-the-least-of-liebours-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-20697 wonkotsane Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:09:36 +0000 http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/09/18/disunity-is-the-least-of-liebours-problems/#comment-20697 Jerry, I don't like the party system anyway but I don't see why independent elections for a PM wouldn't work. Hold elections and allocate places in the cabinet by proportional representation. That way, everyone who voted stands a chance of getting their views represented. Germany was regionalised way before we saved you from yourselves! You've not been reading this blog carefully enough because your two examples have already happened here. Children who started school in England this year will stay at school until they're 17. The children who start in a couple of years time will stay until they're 18. The school leaving age hasn't changed in Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland though. The smoking ban was introduced in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland way before it was introduced in England as well and the Scottish ban is tighter than the English ban. Jerry, I don’t like the party system anyway but I don’t see why independent elections for a PM wouldn’t work. Hold elections and allocate places in the cabinet by proportional representation. That way, everyone who voted stands a chance of getting their views represented.

Germany was regionalised way before we saved you from yourselves! You’ve not been reading this blog carefully enough because your two examples have already happened here. Children who started school in England this year will stay at school until they’re 17. The children who start in a couple of years time will stay until they’re 18. The school leaving age hasn’t changed in Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland though. The smoking ban was introduced in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland way before it was introduced in England as well and the Scottish ban is tighter than the English ban.

]]> By: jerry http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/09/18/disunity-is-the-least-of-liebours-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-20696 jerry Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:45:25 +0000 http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/09/18/disunity-is-the-least-of-liebours-problems/#comment-20696 We germans just love making fun of the polish,take a look at this if you got time: http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=Efd3tLi4KpU&feature=related We germans just love making fun of the polish,take a look at this if you got time:
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=Efd3tLi4KpU&feature=related

]]> By: jerry http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/09/18/disunity-is-the-least-of-liebours-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-20695 jerry Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:39:21 +0000 http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/09/18/disunity-is-the-least-of-liebours-problems/#comment-20695 So you think the primeminister wouldnt follow the agenda of any party but do what is right for the country?So why elect parties into parliament at all?And ofcourse the independent PM wouldnt be running for re-election in his party but surely still for his own re-election.I see your point about a PM not being reliant on a party and not trying to appeal to the people within the party by making stupid decisions but again why would you even elect parties into parliament if you dont want their agenda being used by the PM? And by the way the german state system isnt that great,they cant agree on anything for example bavaria decides they want only 12 years of school but every other state still has the 13 year system,it just turns into a huge mess especially if you then move from bavaria to another state. A few months ago some of the states decided to ban smoking in one-room bars but others didnt,so if your a smoker and travelling through germany you might wanna check if you can actually smoke in that state or not! And who implemented the system?You and the americans,AHH its driving me mad!As if taking waya poland wasnt enough.:) So you think the primeminister wouldnt follow the agenda of any party but do what is right for the country?So why elect parties into parliament at all?And ofcourse the independent PM wouldnt be running for re-election in his party but surely still for his own re-election.I see your point about a PM not being reliant on a party and not trying to appeal to the people within the party by making stupid decisions but again why would you even elect parties into parliament if you dont want their agenda being used by the PM?
And by the way the german state system isnt that great,they cant agree on anything for example bavaria decides they want only 12 years of school but every other state still has the 13 year system,it just turns into a huge mess especially if you then move from bavaria to another state.
A few months ago some of the states decided to ban smoking in one-room bars but others didnt,so if your a smoker and travelling through germany you might wanna check if you can actually smoke in that state or not!
And who implemented the system?You and the americans,AHH its driving me mad!As if taking waya poland wasnt enough.:)

]]> By: wonkotsane http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/09/18/disunity-is-the-least-of-liebours-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-20694 wonkotsane Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:35:14 +0000 http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/09/18/disunity-is-the-least-of-liebours-problems/#comment-20694 Icy, wasn't it Chelsea that prompted the ruling on how many foreign players could play in a league match? Axel, don't you think the Prime Mentalist has too much power already? A coalition cabinet elected by proportional representation with a separately elected Prime Minister heading it up. Surely that's got to be better? Icy, wasn’t it Chelsea that prompted the ruling on how many foreign players could play in a league match?

Axel, don’t you think the Prime Mentalist has too much power already? A coalition cabinet elected by proportional representation with a separately elected Prime Minister heading it up. Surely that’s got to be better?

]]> By: axel http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/09/18/disunity-is-the-least-of-liebours-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-20693 axel Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:14:37 +0000 http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/09/18/disunity-is-the-least-of-liebours-problems/#comment-20693 but under your system, how would a PM have any power? Say for example Nick clegg won the prize as the prettiest plonker in parliment, how is he going to get anything done? I suppose a good example wou;d be Ken livingstone, he was persona not grata at labour HQ, even though he was mayor What about a system like the french? Or what about like the germans, where the states keep most of their individual money, jerry, what are your thoughts? but under your system, how would a PM have any power?

Say for example Nick clegg won the prize as the prettiest plonker in parliment, how is he going to get anything done?

I suppose a good example wou;d be Ken livingstone, he was persona not grata at labour HQ, even though he was mayor

What about a system like the french?

Or what about like the germans, where the states keep most of their individual money, jerry, what are your thoughts?

]]> By: Icypurplepants http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/09/18/disunity-is-the-least-of-liebours-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-20692 Icypurplepants Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:08:14 +0000 http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/09/18/disunity-is-the-least-of-liebours-problems/#comment-20692 A pedant writes: Very harsh on Chelsea there, Arsenal would've been a more appropriate club to have picked on in that example :-) A pedant writes:
Very harsh on Chelsea there, Arsenal would’ve been a more appropriate club to have picked on in that example

:-)

]]> By: wonkotsane http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/09/18/disunity-is-the-least-of-liebours-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-20691 wonkotsane Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:53:37 +0000 http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/09/18/disunity-is-the-least-of-liebours-problems/#comment-20691 The first reform needed is a separate election for Prime Minister. Why should someone be barred from running the country just because they don't belong to one of the top 2 parties? Why can't an independent lead the country? It might sound a bit Americanised to you but it would solve a lot of problems. The first reform needed is a separate election for Prime Minister. Why should someone be barred from running the country just because they don’t belong to one of the top 2 parties? Why can’t an independent lead the country? It might sound a bit Americanised to you but it would solve a lot of problems.

]]> By: axel http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/09/18/disunity-is-the-least-of-liebours-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-20690 axel Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:36:53 +0000 http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2008/09/18/disunity-is-the-least-of-liebours-problems/#comment-20690 But surely, if we go for your system of 1 election, 1 PM, it will mean it is impossible to get rid of a useless PM? How could he be voted out? Would Gordo not be the equivalent of american Vice president? Is your process not the final part of Blair plan to make the UK Pm the UK president? would we not need a whole sale political reform and re design of parliment to allow this But surely, if we go for your system of 1 election, 1 PM, it will mean it is impossible to get rid of a useless PM?

How could he be voted out?

Would Gordo not be the equivalent of american Vice president?

Is your process not the final part of Blair plan to make the UK Pm the UK president?

would we not need a whole sale political reform and re design of parliment to allow this

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