Israel engineers civilian massacre

! This post hasn't been updated in over a year. A lot can change in a year including my opinion and the amount of naughty words I use. There's a good chance that there's something in what's written below that someone will find objectionable. That's fine, if I tried to please everybody all of the time then I'd be a Lib Dem (remember them?) and I'm certainly not one of those. The point is, I'm not the kind of person to try and alter history in case I said something in the past that someone can use against me in the future but just remember that the person I was then isn't the person I am now nor the person I'll be in a year's time.

The UN released a statement last night claiming that Israeli soldiers evacuated 110 Palestinian civilians, half of them children, into a single home telling them it was for their safety.  The brave Israeli military then deliberately self-defenced the house with their American bombs the following day killing 30 people, 3 of which were children.

This latest act of Israeli terrorism was obviously a step too far because the US Ambassador to the UN sat next to his Israeli counterpart and abstained on a vote for a UN resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire, Israel to withdraw its troops from Gaza, the cessation of smuggling weapons into Gaza and the re-opening of border crossings.

The terrorist appeasing Americans were never going to vote in favour of a resolution against Israel – they could have bombed the Vatican and the Americans would claim the Pope was a terrorist – but an abstention, whilst morally reprehensible, is a serious rebuke for the Israeli’s.

All that remains to be seen is whether Israel complies with the UN resolution or whether they continue to defy the will of the international community.

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11 comments

  1. jameshigham (87 comments) says:

    That, of course, is not how it was.

  2. axel (1214 comments) says:

    The UN, who have no real axe to grind, incompotent though they are, they do try to remain neutral.

    Probably what happened was , the IDF got the people into the hoose, then sector boundaries changed and an new artlery officer wondered why it still had a roof and windows…….

  3. Gavin Ayling (8 comments) says:

    It’s interesting how two people can see the same situation entirely differently.

    I don’t believe Israel’s exhausted all other options to resolve the use of rockets into its territory, but that doesn’t change the fundamental moral justification for their actions.

    I would like to think I would be a little more patient than is Israel, but at the same time, I rather suspect that if some rogue element started firing rockets into the south of England the British army would very promptly move to stop that activity.

    Israel shows great restraint against the (openly) terrorist Hamas and Hezbollah and I’m curious how you came to be so strongly anti-Israel.

  4. wonkotsane (1133 comments) says:

    You have some inside information James? What’s the excuse then? They were all terrorists, including the 5 month old baby? Or did Hamas bomb the building and blame it on the Israeli’s? It needs to be a good excuse, the Americans don’t have a veto over the War Crimes Tribunal.

  5. wonkotsane (1133 comments) says:

    You’re suggesting there is a moral justification for rounding up 110 civilians, half of which are children, putting them in a house and then bombing the house?

    As I’ve said every time I get accused of being anti-Israel (it’s always a Tory, by the way) – I’m not pro-Hamas or anti-Israel, I disagree with what Israel is doing, I disagree with the double-standards that allows a rogue terrorist Jewish state to operate for decades but allows a free hand for anyone and everyone when it comes to muslims and I support the people of Palestine who have had their country taken from them and been subjected to human rights abuses and Israeli terrorism for decades. The Americans particularly and appeasers of Israeli terrorism in general are hypocrites – if Israel was arab and Palestine was Jewish it would be a completely different story.

  6. wonkotsane (1133 comments) says:

    I don’t read the Guardian as a rule but this came up in Google News …

    “The IDF will continue its operations against all terrorists and those who support them”

    That, presumably, includes the civilian population that voted for them.

    The UN relief and works agency, by far the largest humanitarian agency in Gaza, suspended its operations yesterday, after Israeli forces opened fire on a UN-contracted convoy collecting food aid from the Erez crossing in north Gaza. One man was killed and two others injured. Later , a marked UN convoy of two armoured vehicles was hit by Israeli troops when they stopped to try to recover the dead body of a Palestinian UN staff member during a scheduled three-hour ceasefire.

    I seem to remember Israel attacked a UN convoy when they invaded Lebanon the last time. I also remember them evacuating a village for their safety and then bombing the civilians they had just evacuated. Perhaps Israel is suggesting the UN is supporting Hamas.

    The International Committee of the Red Cross has also protested against Israel’s military operations, describing the lack of medical access to the injured as “unacceptable”. One of its convoys came under Israeli fire yesterday, also during the scheduled three-hour pause in fighting.

    So the Red Cross is in on it as well? Is there any humanitarian aid agency that isn’t supporting Hamas?

    Israel’s foreign ministry said it would lodge a protest over the firing of four rockets from southern Lebanon into the northern Israeli town of Nahariya yesterday, in which two Israelis were injured.

    Israel said the rocket fire was a “gross violation” of the UN security council resolution that established a ceasefire between Israel and Lebanon after the 2006 war.

    And they say this while they continue to bomb Gaza despite the UN resolution last night calling on Israel to cease military action immediately.

    Like I said, hypocrites.

  7. Gavin Ayling (8 comments) says:

    You are always going to have civilian casualties when making way, justified or not. And in a place like Gaza where more than 50% of all citizens are children, the likelihood is even greater that children will be those victims.

    But, and this is important, nothing is as clear-cut as you describe it.

    Israel is in possession of the Gaza strip and the West Bank only because of agression by Arab states who previously had a mandate over these areas.

    The West is demonstrably not anti-Muslim as can be seen from the side that EU and UN troops took in the Bosnian crisis; the Israeli problem isn’t actually about religions any more.

    Israel withdrew from the Gaza strip and this was a key opportunity for the citizens there to show that they could make good on the opportunity presented. Instead attacks on Israel have continued and no apparent efforts have been made by the terrorist government of Gaza (which violently threw out the PLO as you claim it was democratic) to stop said attacks.

    Of course Israel is not blameless, but when a situation like this arises both sides inevitably lose some of their moral high-ground — consider the attrocities committed by the British during the Second World War (and yet no-one thinks the war in itself was morally indefensible). Yes Israel shouldn’t continue building settlements in the West Bank, and yes the blockade on Gaza has made life more difficult, but let’s balance that against a self-confessed murderous ‘government’ in the Gaza strip that doesn’t recognise the right to exist of it’s wholly democratic and developed neighbour.

  8. George Ashcroft (122 comments) says:

    “I disagree with the double-standards that allows a rogue terrorist Jewish state to operate for decades but allows a free hand for anyone and everyone when it comes to muslims and I support the people of Palestine who have had their country taken from them and been subjected to human rights abuses and Israeli terrorism for decades. The Americans particularly and appeasers of Israeli terrorism in general are hypocrites – if Israel was arab and Palestine was Jewish it would be a completely different story. ”

    I don’t particularly want to get into an argument with you about Anti-Semitism as I have come to believe that you genuinely believe what you write. I would rather know what someone thinks than the kind of racism that you often hear, whispered in hushed tones. That said, I think you are compromising your own nationalist beliefs with support for a “Palestine” that has never existed, in the same way that, say, England has, and in so doing, you have swallowed the Anti-Semitic (A term I use to refer to Jews) lie that “the Jews” are the oppressor of an otherwise free people.

    Wonko, Anti-Semitism is contained within your above writing. Why would it be a different story, if Palestine was Jewish? The Palestinians have not had their country taken away from them. Show me in history when Palestine existed as an Independent country. On the contrary, Israel has aceded to nationalist demands and supported the creation of an Independent Palestinian state. Hamas in Gaza is the result of such misplaced trust. Hamas remain utterly opposed to such a state whilst Israel exists.

    Indeed, the Hamas charter reads “Our struggle against the Jews is very great and serious. It needs all sincere efforts. The Islamic Resistance Movement is but one squadron that should be supported…until the enemy is vanquished and Allah’s victory is realised. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine…it is one of the links in the chain of the struggle against the Zionist Invaders… “The Zionist Plan is limitless. After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook they will aspire to further expansion and so on. Their plan is embodied in the Protocols of the Elders Of Zion…Leaving the circle of struggle with Zionism is high treason, and cursed be he who does that”.

    Even if I were a “nationalist” such as yourself, I could not support the demands of anyone that would elect or otherwise support such murderous lunacy as that of Hamas. Their historical demand is flawed. Indeed, their whole view of history reeks of conspiracy theory. I hope very much that Israel can defeat Hamas and that in the future the needs of Palestinian nationalism (which is a contemporary phenomenon) can be reasonably and peacefully accomodated. That must surely begin with a recognition of Israel’s right to exist, free from terror.

  9. Gavin Ayling (8 comments) says:

    Agree with Mr Ashcroft.

  10. axel (1214 comments) says:

    “The West is demonstrably not anti-Muslim as can be seen from the side that EU and UN troops took in the Bosnian crisis; the Israeli problem isn’t actually about religions any more.”

    The soviet supported regimes were anti israeli because they were supported by the west or maybe vice versa. Now the cold war has gone, Moscow no longer supports and controls these states but the USA still ‘controls’ Israel and should pull it off.

    However, whoever controls Hamas should also pull them off too

  11. Charlie Marks (365 comments) says:

    The reason why it might be different if the ethnicities were reversed is that we recognise Europe’s history of Judeophobic oppression – confinement to ghettos, expulsions, and genocide. We would therefore be very concerned if past horrors were being repeated.

    So, for example, if Israelis were being blockaded, their homes demolished for Palestinian colonies – we would recognise this injustice immediately and cease selling weapons to those forces committing such crimes.

    You say George that “the Palestinians have not had their country taken away from them”. Here you are playing with words. Why are so many of them living in refugee camps in Jordan and Lebanon, then? Is there no occupation, are those people living in the West Bank dreaming when they cannot travel on certain roads because of their religion?

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