Fascist UAF get violent again

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The English Defence League (EDL) protested in Manchester yesterday and once again the thugs from Unite Against Fascism (UAF) turned out to cause trouble.

As I’ve said previously, I have no interest in ethnic nationalism of the sort the EDL promote, but I get pretty pissed off when the fascist UAF get away with thuggery and are portrayed as “the good guys”.  They’re nothing of the sort, they’re vicious, fascist thugs that would be a proscribed organisation if it wasn’t for the number of senior police offices and politicians that were amongst their ranks.

This protest saw 700 EDL supporters turn out – many more than previous protests and thanks in no small part to the UAF thugs who turn out to cause trouble every time the EDL have a protest.  UAF had about 1,400 people – 2 UAF thugs for every EDL knuckle dragger.

But the fact that every time the UAF turn out to “counter protest” they always get violent hasn’t escaped the BBC who, for once, have been marginally critical of them.  Could it be that the fascist UAF are falling out of favour with the lefty-loving BBC?

According to the BBC, the atmosphere was “quite nasty” and the UAF thugs were the ones that tried to break the police line to get at the EDL protesters.

It’s time the police cracked down on violent left wing extremist organisations like UAF.  They use violence and intimidation to try and supress peoples’ constitutional right to protest.  They attempt to bring every protest they disagree with to a premature end by getting violent, putting the public and police in danger.  They violently attack anyone who disagrees with them and if that means attacking the police if they get in the way then they’re fair game to these violent fascists.

Off-message articles don’t last long on the BBC News website so here it is for prosperity:

More than 40 people have been arrested during two political demonstrations in Manchester city centre.

At least 2,000 people attended the protests, by the English Defence League (EDL) and members of Unite Against Fascism (UAF) on Saturday afternoon.

Witnesses said “ugly scenes” broke out between rival protestors and police.

Forty-eight people have been arrested, four among them were held on suspicion of affray. Most of the other arrests were for public order offences.

‘Nasty’ atmosphere

Other people were detained on suspicion of racially-aggravated offences or over possession of weapons or drugs.

Police and protesters in Manchester

A senior police officer said the day had “proved a challenge” for the force

Protesters were herded towards railways stations by police officers as the protests came to an end. Many of them were moved away from the city centre on buses.

One man suffered a head injury during the protests, but did not need hospital treatment, a police spokeswoman confirmed.

About 700 members from the EDL and 1,400 members from UAF were separated by a line of riot police, dogs and mounted police in Piccadilly Gardens.

Mat Trewern, from BBC Radio Manchester, said the atmosphere had turned “quite nasty” as the day progressed.

He said: “There had been some ugly scenes as protesters clashed with police, but it has started to calm down and the crowds are dispersing.

“At one point, earlier on, when it became extremely tense, members of the UAF tried to break the police line between the two groups, which in turn angered the EDL members.

Protesters in Manchester

More than 2,000 protesters were thought to have been in the city centre

“Trouble had started when 100 members of the EDL arrived at Piccadilly Gardens and they were immediately met with shouts of ‘racists’ and ‘off our streets’ by members of the UAF, who had already congregated at Piccadilly.”

He said the number of protesters from the UAF outnumbered those from the EDL by about two to one.

“The disruption in the city centre has been on a large scale, shoppers and businesses have been affected by the protests.”

Assistant Chief Constable Garry Shewan said the presence of so many protesters in the city had “proved a challenge” but that life in the city had gone on as normal.

He said the police reaction had been necessary in order to tackle “the few hell-bent on violent confrontation” and described some of those arrested as “agitators and trouble-makers”.

‘Violent confrontation’

He said: “I would like to thank all those people who came to Manchester today and protested peacefully for their patience and understanding.

“I’d also like to commend the vast majority for demonstrating in a peaceful manner.

Police and protesters in Manchester

Most of the arrests were for public order offences

“However, the history of protest has been marred, by those who came intent on violent confrontation.”

Greater Manchester Police confirmed a man, believed to be heading to the protest, had earlier been arrested in Birmingham on suspicion of distributing racially aggravated material.

Muslim leaders had renewed appeals for people to avoid the demonstrations.

Nanu Miah, a community leader from Oldham, said before the protests in Manchester: “We are not encouraging people to go, we don’t know who EDL is and what could happen.”

An EDL event in Birmingham in September led to counter-demonstrations and bricks being hurled at riot police. Up to 90 people were arrested.


  1. QM (19 comments) says:

    Noticed that myself, the deliberate fogging of the event circumstances by the MSM has made trying to get to the bottom of what really happened difficult. But for comments like that to slip through suggests that the UAF Brownshirts were at root cause of the disturbances.

  2. Ginro (6 comments) says:

    So when is ‘Socialist Unity’ going to be booted off Witanagemot, seeing as that is a site that has openly supported the UAF? I am not a BNP supporter myself, but I am an advocate of free speech whether it happens to be speech I like or not, and the BNP are barred from Witanagemot, whilst a supporter of the violent and thuggish UAF (Socialist Unity) isn’t.
    Strange, no?

  3. wonkotsane (1133 comments) says:

    Ginro, ask Gareth – it’s his project.

    QM, there’s an off-message climate change article on there as well. The censors must be getting lazy.

  4. QM (19 comments) says:

    Ah, I see the BBC are leading the way in claiming it was mostly peaceful. Interesting comment from the EDL spokesman though….

    “I think there was about 1,000 of us in the end, we had a few injured when the police dogs got us but on the whole we feel it was very well managed.”

    Doesn’t seem so peaceful really.

  5. axel (1214 comments) says:

    its all about the the fighting, in the past there have been mods and rockers, japs and commandos, Anti Nazi League and British Movement, football casuals.

    What everyone is missing out on is street fighting is damn exciting stuff, 95% of the people wont care which side they are on, they go for the fun only beardy jerseyed communiists and prune wrinkled Izaal using old fascists rreally care about the political bullshit.

    Do any of you know how much fun it is to go toe to toe with a copper and a truncheon, it absoultely rocks, or it did in the 80s, i guess a new generation is discovering the joys of civil disturbance

  6. jameshigham (87 comments) says:

    The English Defence League (EDL) protested in Manchester yesterday and once again the thugs from Unite Against Fascism (UAF) turned out to cause trouble.

    Beautifully put.

  7. Ginro (6 comments) says:

    Some of the comments in The Times article (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6869327.ece) are worth a read, such as these:

    thomas clarke wrote:
    I was in Manchester today with my family, and was very surprised and shocked to find that the majority of the violence and verbal abuse was coming from the so called ‘UAF’. quite dissapointed to be honest.
    October 11, 2009 12:32 AM BST

    Laura Roberts wrote:
    Hardly a surprise. It’s the start of Rivers of Blood.

    I abhor racism: and that means racism from ALL sides. If you continue to impose one incoming race’s laws and preferences on the indigenous people of a country, you are going to create massive turmoil, disruption, antagonism, anger, resentment and confusion.

    I have lived around the world. I know of no other country that welcomes foreigners into it that hate it with a venom. I know of no other country that destroys it’s own culture, traditions, values and everything that makes it that particular country, as we do when we try to change it to suit incomers. I know of no other country embarrassed of it’s own flag, where any patriotism that on the one hand we are urged to celebrate is slammed as racism at other times.

    When I have lived around the world, I rejoice in their cultures and their pride for their country, heritage and customs. I modify my behaviour to theirs and even when I have to cover my head, or take off my shoes, or have to be escorted because a lone woman out and about is not permitted I do so unquestioningly so, and I honour their rules.

    I know of no other country on earth that diminishes it’s own culture and gives in to the demands of visitors and newcomers that we must adapt to them, rather than the other way round. They would not do the same in their country.

    And so we have a growing anger, sometimes irrational and extreme, but mostly highly rational and deserved, and it will only get worse until the traditions and culture of Britain is restored and celebrated, just as other countries do with theirs.

    Failure to do so will result in carnage.
    October 10, 2009 6:15 PM BST
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  8. Alfred the OK (4 comments) says:

    One wonders how the Beeb and the UAF are going to tackle 3 new demos planned in the next few weeks….
    17th October 2009: Swansea City Centre,
    24th October 2009: Newport City Centre,
    Both will be staged by the Welsh Defence League.

    14th November 2009: Glasgow City Centre, planned by the Scottish Defence League.

    Reading the UAF website is a scary experience. It is nowt but a stream of bile. Every other word is ‘fascist’… I find it extremely worrying that this organisation appear more and more to be acting as a sort of government financed paramilitary rent-a-mob.

  9. wonkotsane (1133 comments) says:

    UAF are a government financed paramilitary rent-a-mob and now the British government is so weak that their proxy protest groups are turning against them. I blogged as much last night – http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/2009/10/11/the-worms-are-turnin/.

  10. stedmancinques (3 comments) says:

    axel is quite right: consider the events in Luton about a month ago, where, after rumours about an EDL protest, ‘community leaders’ asked for protection from the ‘knuckle draggers’. Nobody from the EDL showed up, however, so about 400 of the UAF Fascists went ahead and attacked the police anyway. ‘We were there to protect them, and they attacked us’, whinged a police spokesman disappointedly.

  11. Alfred the OK (4 comments) says:

    Yep, I know they are financed by Government – and yes, I am very concerned that they are setting their own agenda… Which appears to be an end game of violence and intimidation under the banner that the end justifies the means…

  12. George Ashcroft (122 comments) says:

    The state often uses “proxy groups” to stifle dissent. “Combat 18” was one such grouping back in the early 1990’s. More latterly the so-called “NF” has been used for much the same purpose. I wouldn’t be surprised if the “EDL” is one of these “honey-trap” organisations.

    I was talking to a friend of mine the other day about the English Democrats. He said “They really are a nasty bunch”. I quickly established that he was actually talking about the EDL – but in his mind there was little difference between the two and the damage, in his mind at least, had been done.

    Thus the objective is served: Bring the hardline elements together into state-sanctioned “cause groups” whilst moderates, who may well have quite legitimate concerns, are utterly alienated by scenes of violent street confrontation.

    It’s a trick as old as the hills and one which will only serve to discredit “English Nationalism” and indeed any wider anxiety concerning “Islamification”. It’s all been done before – the NF/Anti-Nazi-League confrontation of the late 1970’s and at a time of heightened public concern about immigration, springs most readily to mind.

  13. Stan (222 comments) says:

    “Do any of you know how much fun it is to go toe to toe with a copper and a truncheon”

    Yes I do, it’s no fun at all. The thing about violence is that it hurts. Call me Mr picky but I’m not that fond of being hit constantly by a copper because I held a placard by the side of a road. A flask of tea and a couple of cheese sandwiches are no match for a well trained copper in riot gear.

    The last proper protest I went on was the anti-BNP one in Welling many moons ago. Much as I wanted the BNP HQ out of Welling, it made me sick when that bunch of lame dickheads started smashing stuff up. It did far more harm than good.

    Two pieces of advice for anyone of any political persuasion who may wish to protest.
    1) Don’t get violent; it turns people from the cause
    2) If you see the police removing the epaulettes with their numbers on, get the hell out of there as fast as you can.

    “The state often uses “proxy groups” to stifle dissent.”

    I remember during the minors strike when police were discovered trying to infiltrate the picket lines. What gave them away was they were the only ones carrying copies of the sun “newspaper” – Doh!

    “I know of no other country on earth that diminishes it’s own culture and gives in to the demands of visitors and newcomers that we must adapt to them, rather than the other way round. They would not do the same in their country”

    Er, how about any country that had to endure colonialism or any that welcomes multi-nationals at the expense of the needs of their own people? The countries that welcome Nike sweat-shops, that give essential water supplies to coke bottling plants, or grow cheap food for the west while their own people go hungry?

  14. Peter Inness (2 comments) says:

    Anyone want to see some real fascism at work? See this – perpetrated by the smarmy liar lawyers at the top of the Labour Party:


  15. […] As Wonko adds: As I’ve said previously, I have no interest in ethnic nationalism of the sort the EDL promote, but I get pretty pissed off when the fascist UAF get away with thuggery and are portrayed as “the good guys”.  They’re nothing of the sort, they’re vicious, fascist thugs that would be a proscribed organisation if it wasn’t for the number of senior police officers and politicians that were amongst their ranks. […]

  16. […] getting out of control and turning on their masters.  The British government-supported fascist UAF were at it yesterday, directing their violence at the police who were stopping them from getting to EDL […]

  17. Bob Anglorum (86 comments) says:

    “Unite Against Fascism” is a wing of the Devil worshiping paedophilic communist organisation known as the “Fabian Society”. Who took over the Labour Party in 1917 and have controlled it ever since, in 1928 other groups affiliated to the Labour party were refering to the Fabians as “Fascists”. So I guess it takes one to know one.

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